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Topic: New Republic on MSNBC Bias
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| chucho | Posted – 5/28/2008 9:18:14 AM | show profile http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=b48a6936-fb3c-42b0-83c1-f91d1cb3a3dc This ought to make the conservatives on this board happy. My point here is simple, as a true progressive I cam capable of reading an overtly conservative publication and agree with something upon which it opines. Too bad the typical conservative is mentally incapable of doing the same from the other direction. |
| al medio | Posted – 5/28/2008 9:42:18 AM | show profile I'm not a conservative,but if they came out with a sound environment policy I would join in a heartbeat.That being said,TNR article would impress me more if it was in the Washington Post otherwise their just preaching to the choir and the occasional chucho.I'll sum up NBC/MSNBC When Brokaw retired so did NBC's ethics. |
| chucho | Posted – 5/28/2008 11:02:19 AM | show profile I've never once heard a conservative say "you, know I really liked that story in the New York Times (or on CNN) even though I generally think the paper is a liberal rag." So, yeah, I can make a broad generalization here. Not once. Conservatives seemed hard wired to categorically reject things in a "use vs. them" or "black vs white" paradigm, such as news reports in the media if the news report originates from an organization that is categorically rejected by the conservative groupthink then ALL reports in said categorically-rejected organizations are worthless propaganda. And inversely, a channel that I find to be the most overtly polticzied and bias news network, FNC, is a "can do nothing wrong" network where EVERYTHING reported on it is praised by the conservatives that watch and take the channel seriously. If I'm wrong, then by all means prove me wrong. This is a story from an openly conservative magazine about MSNBC's bias. I despise TNR but I agree with this article. I've never heard an equivalent admission from a conservative about a media organization he generally despises. (Because I do beleive that the typical, conservative is afraid of any "ambiguities" or moral relativism. It goes against the entire paradigm upon which modern American conservatism is founded. As a conservative might say: If it quacks like a duck. . . |
| popa_licious | Posted – 5/28/2008 6:03:27 PM | show profile I too have observed that conservatives are more inclined to see things as black and white. I listen to conservative talk radio for laffs, and _any_ liberal they talk about is an "ultra-left lib" or an "ultra left loony" or a "radical leftist". Never once do they say, so and so is a bit left of center, etc. Say for instance... that woman, what's her name? Oh yeah, Hillary Clinton. In the news from time to time. Mr. Cartman, Please see www.newshounds.us as to why people hate Fox News so much. I'd be interested to read your reaction! |
| zftcg | Posted – 5/28/2008 6:29:12 PM | show profile Not sure I would refer to The New Republic as "openly conservative". They're usually attacked for being all over the place ideologically or contrarian-for-the-sake-of-being-contrarian, but generally speaking, they're liberal with neocon-ish tendencies (like the hardcore Zionism of their editor and original support for the Iraq War). When it comes to domestic issues, they're far more likely to be on the left (hence this article's sub-hed: "The pro-Obama case against MSNBC's pro-Obama political coverage.") chucho, are you sure you weren't thinking of The National Review? |
| Guyarthurthomas | Posted – 5/28/2008 7:47:17 PM | show profile popa_licious Posted ? 5/28/2008 6:03:27 PM | show profile I too have observed that conservatives are more inclined to see things as black and white. ____________________________________________ The irony of this post made me bust a gut! Hahahahahahahahahahaha.....I love it. "Conservatives are more inclined to see things as black and white". Yes, I know popa still doesn't understand what is so funny. Okay, I'll tell popa. Popa, you make a BLACK and WHITE statement to criticize the tendency of others you claim all too readily see things in BLACK and WHITE. Hahahahahahaha, some of you have no idea the comic relief you provide. |
| chucho | Posted – 5/29/2008 5:31:33 AM | show profile ztfcg wins the prize! I was wondering if anyone was going to catch that or whether they were just going to hem and haw. |
| popa_licious | Posted – 5/29/2008 11:24:51 AM | show profile Guyarthomas, If you've managed to stop laughing, please take another look at what I wrote: I too have observed that conservatives are more inclined to see things as black and white. 1. "I too have observed" means what I have observed. Those are MY observations. That is not a statement about ANYONE OTHER THAN ME. 2. "are more inclined" means something more than 50 percent. It does NOT mean 100 percent. A black and white statement means someone believes something is one way or the other - e.g., 100 percent black or 100 percent white. Sorry to ruin your "joke". But ironically, you have taken my nuanced statement of opinion ("I have observed", "are more inclined"), and made a black-and-white statement about it. |
| popa_licious | Posted – 5/29/2008 12:04:37 PM | show profile Mr. Cartman wrote: "popa_licious You must not hear rightwingers talk about--Nunn,Lieberman, or many other clear thinking Democrats." Mr. Cartman, please refer back to what I wrote: "I listen to conservative talk radio for laffs, and _any_ liberal they talk about is an "ultra-left lib" or an "ultra left loony" or a "radical leftist"." I didn't write "Democrats". I wrote "liberal". Mr. Nunn and Mr. Lieberman are not liberals. Mr. Lieberman, incidentally, is NO LONGER EVEN A DEMOCRAT! (He is a horrible warmonger, but that's another story.) Mr. Cartman, please note that you have equated "Democrats" with "liberals". That' s a black and white statement, no? |
| chucho | Posted – 5/29/2008 1:07:59 PM | show profile What do you expect when your president is constantly using the "with us or against us" rhetoric? And, frankly, conservative I've met (I've observed) take a lot of pride in this polemical view of the world. By definition they don't like relativism and consistently deride it. I hear many times them saying that having moral relativist views (ie shades of gray, rather than black or white) is mealy mouthed fence-riding. They like conviction. In a lot of ways I can admire that, but to deny is and to lash out at people who make this observation is absurd. If I say all Christians believe Christ is the son of God, you can't call that a generalization because it is a quality (belief) that is part of what makes a person a Christian. That's fine, but as soon as somebody tries to define what makes a political ideology, suddenly that person is accused of stereotyping or generalizing. But this is now off topic. Again: Kudos to the one person who actually read my post enough to identify the mistake. I shows who's listening and who's just scanning these posts for a reason to blather. |
| chucho | Posted – 5/29/2008 1:59:05 PM | show profile I despise Air America Radio.. . because I am a real liberal (or progressive, if you will) -- which means that in many ways I am a real conservative, too (ie I am so conservative that I default to other people's individual American right to engage in, say, gay married couples having the same rights as the rest of us). Confused? I wouldn't be surprised -- it doesn't fit your "right vs wrong", "black vs. white", "terrorist vs. freedom lover", "capitain america vs. dr. evil" world view. But maybe we can roll back to the OP. A really good assignemnt for the people on this board would be to pick out stories in media organizations they despise that either they agree with, or at least recognize the merits of the argument. I've done this a few times in the past (not in this case). I even came out in defense of Rush Limbaugh's right to medical privacy, just like the ACLU did. I'd like to see conservatives challenge my observation by citing a few examples of news articles that DON'T come from Fox News or the usual suspects from the right wing, opinion driven peanut gallery. |
| chucho | Posted – 5/29/2008 2:26:26 PM | show profile *And suddenly, Hank is on the high horse.* |
| gman992 | Posted – 5/30/2008 1:48:19 PM | show profile Bias on MSNBC To quote the late, great Claude Raines, "I am shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!" |
| chucho | Posted – 5/30/2008 4:32:07 PM | show profile Also Eric: << Why should anyone want to challenge your observations when your gonna call people names,misrepresent things you post? >> There's a difference between calling you, say, a schmuck, and me saying "the right wing peanut gallery of blowhards". One is ad hominem and the other is what I would call more "class action". If you identify with the right-wing peanut gallery of blowhards, that's your problem not mine, but I'm not calling YOU any names. (And if I have in the past, it was probably uncalled for. Probably. But most of us are anonymous anyway so who cares?) |
