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Topic: McCain is lying on Obama's tax propsals
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| chucho | Posted – 7/17/2008 12:42:08 PM | show profile Actually, I 've gotten more interested in this subject since I read that Obama is proposing a reduction in the SE tax, which as many of you know affects freelancers. Bu then I kept hearing this line form McCain's camp that Obama would raise taxes on people making $32,000 per year. That sounded weird to me, so I began reading around and I found this good analysis by FACTCHECK.ORG -- which as anyone who does a lot of online research is aware is a pretty even handed organization. (Of course there are many conservatives that dismiss ANYTHING that suggests that ANYTHING they believe could be false or morally wrong, but I'm not speaking to those people anymore because they are beyond redemption. Factcheck.org has been very good at slamming people across the board for factual inconsistencies in their comments or claims. If you don't accept that, then you are among the 22 percenters -- so please go away like a obedient minority, please. . . ) Anyway, please read this: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/the_32000_question.html One of the biggest (and probably conscious) mistakes in McCain's rhetoric is not clarifying that their $32,000 number is not income but rather taxable income. Id f you're wondering why the $32,000? Well it's the average taxable income of an individual making $41,500, which is about the median income in America. So when McCain says $32,000 he doesn't clarify that this is the taxable income after taking your deductions -- and he does that on purpose. As much as he is a self-admitted ingnoramous on economic matters, he knows what his campaign is doing when they say this: they're lying*. (Please note: *When I say lying I am applying the "Hebrew proverb" sense of the word lying, which goes like this: A half truth is a whole lie. So I hope that pre-metively resolved the stupid and lawyer-ly crap that the 22 percenters pull to argue semantics on teh word "lying".) The other conscious misrepresentation has to do with Obama's support of not making permanent Bush's tax cuts -- so if you are a perverse and partisan individual you might "re-contextualize" the idea of not making Bush's tax cuts permanent as a "big guv-mint tax increase." But guess what: Obama's plan has gone further that that and is making whatever tax cuts the middle class received permanent. In a nutshell: most of you on this board would see at least a $502 tax decrease under Obama's plan. http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/numbers/displayatab.cfm?DocID=1839 |
| david.gordon14 | Posted – 8/1/2008 11:28:12 AM | show profile I don't think it's fair to call that a lie. It's just good old fashioned spin. The statement is smaller and easier to understand than if it all of its caveats were fully stated, and the pertinent information is there. It's up to the informed voter to do the research on thier own, as you did. Someone in a different economic situation might make a conclusion opposite to the one you did. All politicians and all camapaigns put out this kind of "lie" as a matter of neccesity. If they don't spin, thier opponent will, and they will lose. ------ powerapplications.com |
